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How young is young? Roy Hodgson used the word, but he is old, the oldest manager in Premier League history. Gary Cahill used it too but he is relatively old, the 12th oldest outfield player in the division this season. John Stones is not old but, turning 26 in May, with 39 international caps and almost 250 club appearances to his name, he is scarcely as young as his former England manager and teammate seem to think.
The temptation is to assume those in the first half of their careers are works in progress, but Stones has regressed this season. Age can equate to promise, but the promise of a brighter tomorrow is not always realised and potential is not automatically translated into performance. Certainly Stones’ display against Hodgson and Cahill’s Crystal Palace was not that of a man on an upward curve. He might have conceded a penalty for a clumsy first-half challenge on Wilfried Zaha. He was unable to halt the winger when Zaha surged past him to set up Palace’s last-minute equaliser in a passage of play Pep Guardiola called “a mistake”. In between, he was out-jumped by Cahill when the best centre-back on the pitch set up Cenk Tosun’s opener.
“I still think that John Stones is every bit what we expected him to be,” said Hodgson. “John’s young, too. He still has his best years ahead of him.” Cahill echoed: “He is still young, if you look at his age. He has still got his best years ahead of him.” And, in theory, he does.
“He’s still learning the game,” Hodgson said. “If he stays fit I’m sure he’ll progress under this manager,” Cahill added. But the manager in question, Guardiola, can be gnomic on the subject of Stones. Had he got his wish and signed Harry Maguire in the summer, had Aymeric Laporte stayed fit, he would have been an expensive understudy. As it is, Fernandinho has been City’s finest centre-back this season. He is in his 35th year but, as a converted midfielder, he is young as a defender.
It was the Brazilian’s late own goal that cost City victory. However, Stones was more culpable. Hodgson, a manager who prefers life outside the limelight, where his every decision is not scrutinised, said: “He’s playing in a very important goldfish bowl at the moment. Every mistake or every good thing is magnified 10 times over.”
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1/31 Football's weirdest transfers
Following the news that Wolverhampton Wanderers could sign Atlético Madrid’s £60m man Thomas Lemar, we take a look at some of the most surprising transfers in football history.
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2/31 Ricardo Villa and Ossie Ardiles to Tottenham
Ossie and Ricky became cult heroes when they signed from Huracán and Racing Club respectively. Were forced out on loan when the pesky Falklands War broke out, but later returned, both writing themselves into club legend.
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3/31 Roberto Mancini to Leicester City
Left Lazio for a brief – very brief – stint at Leicester in the early 2000s. Made his Premier League debut against Arsenal at the age of 36 but failed to finish the match. He would make just three further appearances before disappearing home.
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4/31 Louie Barry to Barcelona
Poached by Barcelona from West Brom, the English teenager is now on the verge of returning to the Midlands, with Aston Villa.
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5/31 Gennaro Gattuso to Rangers
Bravely left Perugia for Rangers at the tender age of 19. Was met with quite the welcome. “Paul Gascoigne was obviously famous for his many pranks,” he later recalled. “For example, he welcomed me to Rangers by doing his business in my socks.”
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6/31 Julien Faubert to Real Madrid
Sensationally loaned from West Ham to Real Madrid in January 2009. “His agent should be knighted by the Queen,” said Paul Merson. Things didn’t go that well and Real decided not to make his loan permanent after he fell asleep on the substitutes’ bench.
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7/31 Steven Caulker to Liverpool
Caulker’s loan move from QPR to Liverpool was weird. Weirder still was Jurgen Klopp’s subsequent decision to deploy him as an auxiliary striker.
AFP via Getty Images
8/31 Alejandro Sabella to Sheffield United
In 1978 Sheffield United rather ambitiously attempted to sign some kid called Diego Maradona. Whatever happened to him? However they decided he was too expensive and instead signed Sabella for a cut-price £160k.
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9/31 Javier Mascherano and Carlos Tévez to West Ham United
Another Argentine duo who rocked up in London, much to everybody’s surprise. Helped to save West Ham from relegation – in rather dubious fashion – and went on to even bigger and better things: Mascherano playing for Liverpool and Barcelona and Tevez crossing the Manchester divide.
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10/31 Juninho to Middlesbrough
Had the pick of several clubs when he left São Paulo in 1995. Plumped for Middlesbrough and liked it so much that he later returned. Twice.
11/31 Jay Jay Okocha to Bolton
So good they named him twice. Left PSG for the bright lights of Bolton, steering the team away from relegation and scoring the team’s best ever Premier League goal, as voted for by fans. Later stripped of the Bolton captaincy for publicly flirting with Qatar SC, where he eventually moved.
12/31 Fernando Hierro to Bolton
Another international superstar who rather bizarrely ended up at Bolton. A regular at the back in the 2004/05 season, having left Real Madrid via Al Rayyan in the Qatar Stars League.
13/31 Attilio Lombardo to Palace
Il Struzzo left Juventus to join recently promoted Crystal Palace in 1997, immediately becoming their star player and, a little later, their caretaker player-manager.
14/31 Joey Barton to Marseille
Attempted to repair his bad boy reputation by disappearing to Marseille on loan while at QPR, in a stint best remembered for his amusing habit of speaking to journalists in English with a rather Allo’ Allo’ French accent.
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15/31 Julio Cesar to QPR
Jumped on board the QPR gravy train in 2012. Jumped straight off when they were relegated a few months later, moving to Toronto on loan.
Teri Pengilley
16/31 Edgar Davids to … every English club
Moved to Martin Jol’s Tottenham Hotspur from Internazionale and liked England so much he went on to play for Crystal Palace and Barnet, even briefly managing the latter.
PA
17/31 Bojan Krcic to Stoke City
The ‘next Lionel Messi’ failed to make the grade at Barcelona and enjoyed glamorous stints at Roma and AC Milan before signing for … Stoke City. Played 85 times for the Potters in the Premier League and Championship, eventually departing for Montreal Impact. Still only 29!
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18/31 Luther Blissett to AC Milan
Moved to AC Milan from Watford for £1m in 1983. Remarkably, Milan thought they were signing team-mate John Barnes instead. His time in Italy will be forever remembered for the immortal line: “No matter how much money you have here, you just cannot seem to get Rice Krispies.”
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19/31 Claudio Caniggia to Dundee
Caniggia had won the World Cup, Copa America and Copa Libertadores before moving to Dundee, in 2000. Did so well he then earnt himself a move to Rangers.
20/31 Esteban Cambiasso to Leicester
Played over 300 times for Internazionale before then deciding to join Leicester on a free transfer. Adored by the club’s supporters, he was offered a one-year contract extension only to decline the offer in favour of a move to Olympiacos. A season later, Leicester won the Premier League title. Doh!
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21/31 Bebe to Manchester United
One of the strangest transfers in football history. Signed from Vitória de Guimarães for £7m – despite Sir Alex Ferguson admitting he had never watched the midfielder play.
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22/31 Kevin-Prince Boateng to Barcelona
Boateng, the former Tottenham, Portsmouth and Las Palmas midfielder, rather randomly ended up at Barcelona on loan from Sassuolo in 2019. Played just three times.
AFP/Getty Images
23/31 Thomas Gravesen to Madrid
Left Everton for a cut-price £2.5m in 2005. Signed for Real Madrid, where he was played out of position and had a fight with Robinho.
24/31 Christophe Dugarry to Birmingham
Joined Birmingham from Bordeaux, initially on loan, in 2003. Somewhat incredibly, he was not the first World Cup-winner to join the Blues. That honour goes to Argentina’s Alberin to Tarantini, in 1978.
25/31 Henrik Larsson to Manchester United
Pitched up at Manchester United on loan from Helsingborg for a short and very sweet stint in 2007.
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26/31 Jay Bothroyd to Perugia
After keeping Coventry up a move to Serie A beckoned for Bothroyd and seven goals in 39 games made it a decent return. A friendship with Colonel Gaddafi's son followed. Yes, really.
AFP via Getty Images
27/31 Yildiray Basturk to Blackburn Rovers
No one really expected the Champions League runner-up to rock up at Ewood Park to finish his career. It didn't go as planned with the Turk playing only 45 minutes of his one and only appearance.
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28/31 Nicklas Bendtner to Juventus
No one really knows why but Bendtner swapped London for Turin in 2012/13 and made only two starts for the Bianconeri.
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29/31 Kyle Lafferty to Palermo
Lafferty is no stranger to a random move or three but his stint with Palermo in Serie A surely takes the cake. Being described by their club president as "an Irishman without rules" probably sums it up
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30/31 Papy Djilobodji to Chelsea
The central defender played just 62 seconds of first-team football for Chelsea after inexplicably moving from Nantes for £4m in the summer of 2015
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31/31 Ali Dia to Southampton
The most infamous and the best. Dia managed to convince Southampton boss Graeme Souness that he was the cousin of FIFA World Player of the Year and Ballon d'Or winner George Weah. That was good enough reason for Souness to hand him his Premier League debut against Leeds when he came on for the injured Matthew Le Tissier, although he was predictably dreadful and hooked in the second-half. "He ran around the pitch like Bambi on ice; it was very embarrassing to watch," said Le Tissier. Dia never played for Southampton again, although did enjoy spells at both Gateshead (eight appearances, two goals) and Spennymoor United (who knows).
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1/31 Football's weirdest transfers
Following the news that Wolverhampton Wanderers could sign Atlético Madrid’s £60m man Thomas Lemar, we take a look at some of the most surprising transfers in football history.
Getty Images
2/31 Ricardo Villa and Ossie Ardiles to Tottenham
Ossie and Ricky became cult heroes when they signed from Huracán and Racing Club respectively. Were forced out on loan when the pesky Falklands War broke out, but later returned, both writing themselves into club legend.
Getty Images
3/31 Roberto Mancini to Leicester City
Left Lazio for a brief – very brief – stint at Leicester in the early 2000s. Made his Premier League debut against Arsenal at the age of 36 but failed to finish the match. He would make just three further appearances before disappearing home.
Getty Images
4/31 Louie Barry to Barcelona
Poached by Barcelona from West Brom, the English teenager is now on the verge of returning to the Midlands, with Aston Villa.
Getty Images
5/31 Gennaro Gattuso to Rangers
Bravely left Perugia for Rangers at the tender age of 19. Was met with quite the welcome. “Paul Gascoigne was obviously famous for his many pranks,” he later recalled. “For example, he welcomed me to Rangers by doing his business in my socks.”
Getty Images
6/31 Julien Faubert to Real Madrid
Sensationally loaned from West Ham to Real Madrid in January 2009. “His agent should be knighted by the Queen,” said Paul Merson. Things didn’t go that well and Real decided not to make his loan permanent after he fell asleep on the substitutes’ bench.
AFP via Getty Images
7/31 Steven Caulker to Liverpool
Caulker’s loan move from QPR to Liverpool was weird. Weirder still was Jurgen Klopp’s subsequent decision to deploy him as an auxiliary striker.
AFP via Getty Images
8/31 Alejandro Sabella to Sheffield United
In 1978 Sheffield United rather ambitiously attempted to sign some kid called Diego Maradona. Whatever happened to him? However they decided he was too expensive and instead signed Sabella for a cut-price £160k.
AFP via Getty Images
9/31 Javier Mascherano and Carlos Tévez to West Ham United
Another Argentine duo who rocked up in London, much to everybody’s surprise. Helped to save West Ham from relegation – in rather dubious fashion – and went on to even bigger and better things: Mascherano playing for Liverpool and Barcelona and Tevez crossing the Manchester divide.
PA
10/31 Juninho to Middlesbrough
Had the pick of several clubs when he left São Paulo in 1995. Plumped for Middlesbrough and liked it so much that he later returned. Twice.
11/31 Jay Jay Okocha to Bolton
So good they named him twice. Left PSG for the bright lights of Bolton, steering the team away from relegation and scoring the team’s best ever Premier League goal, as voted for by fans. Later stripped of the Bolton captaincy for publicly flirting with Qatar SC, where he eventually moved.
12/31 Fernando Hierro to Bolton
Another international superstar who rather bizarrely ended up at Bolton. A regular at the back in the 2004/05 season, having left Real Madrid via Al Rayyan in the Qatar Stars League.
13/31 Attilio Lombardo to Palace
Il Struzzo left Juventus to join recently promoted Crystal Palace in 1997, immediately becoming their star player and, a little later, their caretaker player-manager.
14/31 Joey Barton to Marseille
Attempted to repair his bad boy reputation by disappearing to Marseille on loan while at QPR, in a stint best remembered for his amusing habit of speaking to journalists in English with a rather Allo’ Allo’ French accent.
EPA
15/31 Julio Cesar to QPR
Jumped on board the QPR gravy train in 2012. Jumped straight off when they were relegated a few months later, moving to Toronto on loan.
Teri Pengilley
16/31 Edgar Davids to … every English club
Moved to Martin Jol’s Tottenham Hotspur from Internazionale and liked England so much he went on to play for Crystal Palace and Barnet, even briefly managing the latter.
PA
17/31 Bojan Krcic to Stoke City
The ‘next Lionel Messi’ failed to make the grade at Barcelona and enjoyed glamorous stints at Roma and AC Milan before signing for … Stoke City. Played 85 times for the Potters in the Premier League and Championship, eventually departing for Montreal Impact. Still only 29!
Getty Images
18/31 Luther Blissett to AC Milan
Moved to AC Milan from Watford for £1m in 1983. Remarkably, Milan thought they were signing team-mate John Barnes instead. His time in Italy will be forever remembered for the immortal line: “No matter how much money you have here, you just cannot seem to get Rice Krispies.”
Hulton Archive
19/31 Claudio Caniggia to Dundee
Caniggia had won the World Cup, Copa America and Copa Libertadores before moving to Dundee, in 2000. Did so well he then earnt himself a move to Rangers.
20/31 Esteban Cambiasso to Leicester
Played over 300 times for Internazionale before then deciding to join Leicester on a free transfer. Adored by the club’s supporters, he was offered a one-year contract extension only to decline the offer in favour of a move to Olympiacos. A season later, Leicester won the Premier League title. Doh!
REUTERS
21/31 Bebe to Manchester United
One of the strangest transfers in football history. Signed from Vitória de Guimarães for £7m – despite Sir Alex Ferguson admitting he had never watched the midfielder play.
AFP/Getty Images
22/31 Kevin-Prince Boateng to Barcelona
Boateng, the former Tottenham, Portsmouth and Las Palmas midfielder, rather randomly ended up at Barcelona on loan from Sassuolo in 2019. Played just three times.
AFP/Getty Images
23/31 Thomas Gravesen to Madrid
Left Everton for a cut-price £2.5m in 2005. Signed for Real Madrid, where he was played out of position and had a fight with Robinho.
24/31 Christophe Dugarry to Birmingham
Joined Birmingham from Bordeaux, initially on loan, in 2003. Somewhat incredibly, he was not the first World Cup-winner to join the Blues. That honour goes to Argentina’s Alberin to Tarantini, in 1978.
25/31 Henrik Larsson to Manchester United
Pitched up at Manchester United on loan from Helsingborg for a short and very sweet stint in 2007.
PA
26/31 Jay Bothroyd to Perugia
After keeping Coventry up a move to Serie A beckoned for Bothroyd and seven goals in 39 games made it a decent return. A friendship with Colonel Gaddafi's son followed. Yes, really.
AFP via Getty Images
27/31 Yildiray Basturk to Blackburn Rovers
No one really expected the Champions League runner-up to rock up at Ewood Park to finish his career. It didn't go as planned with the Turk playing only 45 minutes of his one and only appearance.
Getty Images
28/31 Nicklas Bendtner to Juventus
No one really knows why but Bendtner swapped London for Turin in 2012/13 and made only two starts for the Bianconeri.
Getty Images
29/31 Kyle Lafferty to Palermo
Lafferty is no stranger to a random move or three but his stint with Palermo in Serie A surely takes the cake. Being described by their club president as "an Irishman without rules" probably sums it up
Getty Images
30/31 Papy Djilobodji to Chelsea
The central defender played just 62 seconds of first-team football for Chelsea after inexplicably moving from Nantes for £4m in the summer of 2015
Getty Images
31/31 Ali Dia to Southampton
The most infamous and the best. Dia managed to convince Southampton boss Graeme Souness that he was the cousin of FIFA World Player of the Year and Ballon d'Or winner George Weah. That was good enough reason for Souness to hand him his Premier League debut against Leeds when he came on for the injured Matthew Le Tissier, although he was predictably dreadful and hooked in the second-half. "He ran around the pitch like Bambi on ice; it was very embarrassing to watch," said Le Tissier. Dia never played for Southampton again, although did enjoy spells at both Gateshead (eight appearances, two goals) and Spennymoor United (who knows).
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Hodgson has long seen himself as a voice of moderation, but Stones’ moderate form is the issue. He was in a better state 12 months ago, fresh from the goal-line clearance against Liverpool that proved decisive in the title race. In each of Guardiola’s two title-winning seasons, Stones excelled in the first half but made way for Vincent Kompany in the run-in; the fact the captain was preferred when it mattered most suggested he does not command his manager’s full confidence.
Perhaps Gareth Southgate has more faith than Guardiola, even if time will tell if it was undermined by the extra-time error that helped Holland reach the Nations League final last year. Cahill harked back a further 12 months to Stones’ peak to date. “He had a fantastic World Cup,” he said. “What you have to remember is on one of the biggest stages he was terrific.”
It was the greatest advertisement of Stones’ talent. Now, however, his development feels arrested. A pass completion rate of 93.9 percent is both off the charts and Guardiola-esque but questions about his defending persist; he is yet to become a figure of Cahill-esque solidity. Injuries have made it a stop-start season, but City have only won on three of Stones’ last seven starts; one of those was against Port Vale and they have conceded 11 times in those seven games.
As Guardiola noted, Palace had few opportunities and got two. “They didn’t need much to score goals,” he said. “We have to improve.” An upgrade may soon be available, with Laporte back in training. “We cannot expect that Aymeric is going to solve all of the problems,” Guardiola added. But it will compound Stones’ problems if the Frenchman’s imminent comeback is at his expense. Laporte feels the senior figure at the back, but he is only one day older than Stones. And Stones isn’t young anymore.